Werder - Lyon

Liverpool - Leverkusen so they've a chance

That means we get Bayern Munich :love:

PSV - Monaco

AC - ManYoo

United - Milan

Gonna be a fantastic game. 3 huge games in Real - Juve, Chelsa - Barca and United - Milan

CHAMPIONS LEAGUE DRAW
First knock-out round:
Real Madrid v Juventus
Porto v Inter Milan
Barcelona v Chelsea
Werder Bremen v Lyon
Liverpool v Bayer Leverkusen
PSV Eindhoven v Monaco
Man Utd v AC Milan
Bayern Munich v Arsenal

Arsenal - Munich

:eek: - Kahn v Lehmann

Battle of the German keepers

Can't wait for Barca - Chelsea in particular

Lehman probably won't be getting his game and Kahn is 1000x times better

Wow.....Liverpool have the best chance of getting through IMO

Yeah totaly wouldn't be shocked to see Liverpool as the last English team next round

Wouldn't be writing any of the other teams off though. It's a long time till the ties still

Predictions anyone?

Real Madrid v Juventus
FC Porto v Inter Milan
Barcelona v Chelsea
Werder Bremen v Lyon
Liverpool v Bayer Leverkusen
PSV v Monaco
Man Utd v AC Milan
Bayern Munich v Arsenal

Wouldn't write us off, Ogen :mad:

Real Madrid v Juventus
FC Porto v Inter Milan
Barcelona v Chelsea
Werder Bremen v Lyon
Liverpool v Bayer Leverkusen
PSV v Monaco
Man Utd v AC Milan
Bayern Munich v Arsenal

So Man Utd did get Milan.

Yeah, that's what the whole "Man United v AC Milan" thing is about

Still contemplating whether I should get a ticket for the Camp Nou, I went 5 years ago and I would love to go again, BUT we never win when I go to away games, except Fulham in the League Cup and what with it being the first leg it's not as important, I do really wanna go though.

Pretty good draw, quite a few games look class on paper.

I think it's time for payback and this time there's no Lucio to score. :)

Real Madrid v Juventus
Porto v Inter Milan
Barcelona v Chelsea
Werder Bremen v Lyon
Liverpool v Bayer Leverkusen
PSV Eindhoven v Monaco
Man Utd v AC Milan
Bayern Munich v Arsenal

Thats my only real hope of us beating Leverkusen, the fact that Ballack and Lucio...Ze Roberto, Neuville etc... are all gone

Leverkusen are an ordinary side, much like we are at the moment but I'm confident that we can beat them.

Just remember that ordinary side beat Madrid, as awful as they can be, 3-0 in the group stages and are extremely hard to get anything against when they are at home. Without a doubt, the Pool need a win, and a substantial one, at Anfield.

As for the other English teams, could go either way in them all. As a United supporter, am really excited about the game, should be one to remember. Chelsea/Barcelona should be an absolutely amazing game, and completely rests on how well Chelsea defend in my eyes. I do think Terry in the past CAN be shown up at the highest level and it does not get much higher than Ronaldinho. If he stands up to him and outshines him, Campbell and Ferdinand might have to step aside for good. Arsenal on prem form should beat the out of sorts, Bayern, but they are still dangerous, Makaay can score from anywhere and Ballack is a menace. Combine that with arsenal's poor Euro form and they could have real problems.

Yeah Leverkusen beat Madrid but Madrid aren't the strongest of sides at the moment on the basis of form. Leverkusen are an ordinary side, nothing compared to the one who we lost to a couple of seasons back.
The only thing that worries me is that the players won't be as motivated as if were playing someone like Milan. They've shown that a few times this season.

DAVID CONNOLLY :love:

Should have beaten the Trees but i'll take the point given it was an injury time equaliser.

Hey all, am I the first here to notice that Wee Gooner and Yianni are scum?
Yours sincerely, Fungry

Whatever, Y2C :roll:

Have a word with yourself. John Terry, as good as he is, is not, and never will be, better than Rio Ferdinand. Sol Campbell maybe.

Plenty of teams have neutralised Ronaldinho, this season and last.

I think we have AC milan. most of them are getting on, and although they have a great team, i think if we take the game to them, we'll be fine.

Their team isn't that old. Just a few of the defenders. They've got a much better (and younger) midfield and attack.

Have a word with yourself, ECG. Campbell is, and always will be, better then Ferdinand, if Chelsea could have one of those two I'd always want Campbell. Terry, IMO (and yes I really it means little enough to you as it is, and even less so on this matter as I am a Chelsea fan) is alot better then Ferdinand, he is fucking flawless and fucking solid at the back, not to mention he is the man from corners too. I honestly wouldn't take anyone over John Terry at the back.

Truth is ECG, if John Terry was Irish, you would say he is alot better then Rio Ferdinand.

Nah Milan will win and then I'll have control of your avatar for a month ( Just sticking it in here so we have evidence when you try and back out http://tpww.net/forums/images/smilies/kiss.gif )

:wtf:

:drool: at Barcelona - Chelsea though, Dazza if I was in your position I'd be on the first plane to Spain mate, go for it. That'll be fucking mad.

Fuck that, I'd walk if I had to.

Real rejected Liverpools bid for Morienties want first refusal on Gerrard as part of it

Well Morientes has as good as handed in a transfer request, so I think its just a case of Liverpool upping the offer to 5, 6 million.

Now it's official :cool:

Couldn't agree more on both counts.

Henry should have definately won both awards. English football has always been looked down on in Europe.

Is Rio Ferdinand Irish?

Not as far as I know. Rio is one of the best defenders in the world. John Terry is a good defender, but that's as far as it goes. When John Terry goes to a World Cup and puts in the best performance out of anyone, in the whole competition, we'll call him as good as Rio Ferdinand.

If Sol Campbell was any good, Arsenal wouldn't be such a defensive shambles. Campbell is just a big black defender who is good at heading it out of the box, like Ledley King. Useful, have their place, but not on the same level as Ferdinand, Nesta etc.

Rio Ferdinand is a different class to John Terry. Like Stevie Gerrard is to Frank Lampard, a world class player to a solid Premiership workhorse.

Ricardo Carvalho is world class, though. Love him.

I agree with the order mate, and agree totally with what you said. Fact is Terry will only improve, he is a typically Englsih defender and as Campbell gets on, he will replace him.

As a United fan, I think Rio is the best in the business, but Eriksson has a tendency to go on team's form at times and I think that could work against Ferdinand. I was talking in how I felt Eriksson would look at things. Ferdinand is irreplaceable in my opinion, he is a superb techinical footballer and a calming influence to boot. Neither Terry or Campbell have that, despite Terry's goal threat, a positive that could see him replace Campbell. More clear?

What, John Terry is at least equal to Carvalho, neither of them make mistakes, and Terry certainly doesn't look out of place next to him. Do you even watch Chelsea matches when they are on TV? I would say if anything Terry would get more recognition because he does the more memorable things like block shots and he also wins more headers. The pair of them are quality and I honestly wouldn't swap either of them for any defender in the world.

As for the Arsenal defensive shambles point, Toure and Cygan are the ones to blame, and obviously Lehmann, if Campbell is so bad then why did Barcelona want him when his contract with the yids expired. United have good keepers which is why they let in less, and the last world cup was two and a half years ago, wait till the next one and if Terry plays he will finally be able to get you to shut up.

One last thing, I am aware that Ferdinand didn't play from January, but http://www.sporting-heroes.net/footb.../2003-04.htm#1 Arsenal let in the joint second least amount of goals at home, look who is in first place, thats right, Carvalho might be great, but he wasn't their last season, thats largely down to Terry and Carlo that we had the best home record in the league last season, and look who had the two best away record, I would say Arsenals great defensive record was much more to do with Campbell then anyone else, the guy is solid, and prevents alot of goals.

They're good defenders, but Rio is one of the best in the world. Don't get me wrong on what I am saying here. Campbell does his job, but he is not on Rio's level. Talking about who wanted to sign him is moot. Barcelona were interested in Ian Harte at one stage, after all.

Also, I rate William Gallas very highly. Excellent player.

Manchester United's season fell apart after Rio got banned last season, which shows how important he is to them.

Once again, not saying Terry or Campbell are bad players. They are very good players, but they are not on Rio's level. He is up there with Nesta, Cannavaro, Puyol, Montero etc.

You said "If Sol campbell was any good..." So from that it kinda makes it sound like you think he is shit.

Gallas was quality for years, now Mourinho plays him left back he makes mistakes and often wears the wrong studs, the amount of times he slips up is just retarded.

And I really hate the way everyone says Ferdinand's ban was what lost them the league, granted, it was a huge blow, but Fergason's inability to realize what a shit set of defenders he had that season was the real reason, (I would say we will see who wins the league this season then but I still think United will :$)

I think Sol Campbell is disgustingly overrated. Watching England in the summer showed how much they miss Rio, because all they could do was sit back on the edge of their own box and head things away.

It looks like great defending, but you watch someone like Carvalho, in the summer, who'd win the ball off the striker, beat a couple of men and set up another attack, and that to me is what a great defender does. Rio brings organisation and class to a team. The best defenders are genuine class footballers.

United won't win the league this season. You're just trying not to curse Chelsea. It is their's to lose at this stage. But then I would have said the same about United this time last year.

Chelsea just look a lot stronger, though.

In saying that, if Duff and Robben got injured again, and they are both injury prone players, Chelsea could well be up shit creek.

JIM SMITH dropped a giant clanger on his first day as Harry Redknapp’s No 2 at Southampton — by driving to PORTSMOUTH’S training ground!

Smith agreed on Wednesday to copy Redknapp’s controversial defection along the South Coast from Fratton Park to St Mary’s.

But the Bald Eagle was left red-faced 24 hours later when he turned up at Pompey’s Southampton-based training HQ by accident — 10 MILES from where he was meant to be.

Smith, 64, was greeted by baffled looks from Portsmouth staff before realising his mistake.

He quickly jumped back into his BMW saloon and drove down the M27 to Saints’ base in the New Forest.

Sheepish Smith admitted: “There was a bit of confusion.

“I was not concentrating and I ended up at the wrong training ground. That put 10 minutes on my journey.”

Smith also attacked Pompey supporters over their treatment of Redknapp following his switch to their bitter Premiership rivals. Redknapp was branded a Judas after taking charge at Saints earlier this month — just TWO WEEKS after quitting Fratton Park saying he needed a break from football.

The pair have been forced to cancel an ‘Audience with Harry and Jim’ live show scheduled to take place in a Portsmouth theatre in the New Year because of fears for their safety.

Smith rapped: “It is disgraceful that the fans have reacted in this way.

“I can understand supporters wanting to beat Southampton and the Southampton fans wanting to beat Portsmouth — but Harry’s treatment is a disgrace. I have seen it before at Blackburn and Burnley but this has gone too far.

<font face=verdana size=3 color="#ff6600">:lol: especially the bit about them fearing for their safety. Nothing to do with the fact no one in Portsmouth is going to be particularly interested in buying tickets to a show to see their rival's manager?

stupid old cunt</font>

I've seen Campbell take players on against Chelesea before, not sure if he does against other teams, his run against Portsmouth shows what he can do, good thinking too. And like you say, King isn't all he is said to be, he can just had the ball, and Terry hardly had the greatest of tournaments, so I wouldn't blame it on Campbell, and he had a good World Cup '98 IMO.

ECG, can you honestly tell me you watch Chelsea matches this season? Maybe you could remind me when Carvalho has skinned anyone? I suppose maybe he may want to get more confident in the English game before trying to take players on, because at the moment I am sure he hasn't. Gallas is our only defender that take players on at the back.

Terry and Carvalho both organisation and class to the team, I really do think that you haven't watched any of our matches on T.V, and not highlights as that obviously only rarely shows our defence :D, because the way they both deal with an attack is superb, Terry is always calm at the back and he is never out of position, always gets the job done, never looks like a mug and once Terry gets the recognition he deserves and becomes the man for England, everyone will be sucking his penis.

I have said United will win hte league since June now, and I still believe it, Josè is so far up his own arse that just because he seems confident doesn't mean we all should be. Seriously, look at our fixtures, Anfield on New Years day, Arsenal lost their and we rarely do well their, United at OT in April, Arsenal at home in April, Southampton away that month and Harry will have them sorted by then, Bolton Away, thats four hard ties in April, and going to St James' Park on the last day of the season isn't the easiest fixture either, the league is far from won. Plus if we beat Barca in the Champions League we will have even more fucking matches in April.

I don't mean simply taking men on once in a while, I mean a great defender has to be a great footballer also. I don't think Campbell or Terry are great footballers, and I think that certainly was evident when they played together at Euro 2004 and were unable to push out from the back and play it out from there. Either of them beside Rio Ferdinand would be excellent, but I think at the top level, they need someone of Rio's class there.

Good Premiership players, like Frank Lampard. Against the top teams, I think they're found wanting.

I watched Norwich vs. Chelsea last Saturday, by the way, on Irish TV.

Nice one, you would have watched that match, one of the only that Carvalho hasn't played in, but he really doesn't do more then his basic defending duties.

Campbell and Terry both had great seasons for their club but not too impressive ones for their countries, I'd blame Eriksson for being a moron too though, not just Terry and Campbell, seriously, you just remember them for not playing too well in a few games, they are great players. I really think they would be great if they played along side each other again.

But then again, you are convinced that De Zeuuw isn't just a big fat slow lump.

Joleon Lescott is better than all of them :love:

Hey remember when we scored ten goals against you in a season? Where was he to stop any of them?

So yeah Newcastle are shit then.

Just been to Myanmar for 2 weeks and you can watch way more Premiership games out there. Up to 4 on Sunday and 3 on Saturday and one on Monday its crazy. Had the displeasure of watching Newcastle Portsmouth and the game against Liverpool. Also watched the Arsenal Chelsea game though so its all good.

We'l be lucky to finish top half at this rate and holy shit at the Champions League draw only saw it after reading this thread!

Yeah, just on that point, how many games do you get to see in England?

Premiership coverage here is pretty awesome (if you have cable :y::D), like at least 3 or 4 live games a week, usually 3 live on saturday night and whatever other games during the week are usually live as well.

one on a saturday?

that's badlike

Yeah like RBF said the coverage here is pretty good these days but in Asia it was practically every game live.

Personally I think there is too much football on TV these days. Less is more.

Yeah as RBF said he was recovering from double knee surgery. Somehow he's still the man though :love: Hence we had to buy someone to replace him and unfortunately Dave Jones' mental phase had kicked in by then as he bought Jody Craddock :'(

There's normally 2 PPV games on Saturday, a PPV and free game on Sunday, and then the Monday night football. There's normally at least 2-3 La Liga games per weekend as well (normally but not always featuring Barca and/or Real Madrid), and there's Nationwide as well, although that's normally one game per Friday night and anything else is a bonus.

fucksake, lost at home to Rotherham. :|

GRRRRr thought the days of mid table mediocrity had left newcastle for good.

Aye?

I went to the Cardiff/Wolves game today as a neutral because I couldn't stand being stuck in this house much longer. I must say if I didn't know I would have said it were a league 2 game. The best bit was getting my chips at half time.

But you got to see Glenn Hoddle in person :'(

Not really the sun was in my eyes :mad: I had to hold my programme on my forehead through it all.

Fuck Giggs was on fire against Bolton yesterday.

LOL at Campo's 'shot' :lol:

Can someone confirm to me that Martin Tyler is either out of a job or is on his way out of Sky? I know Ian Darke has been told he will be announcing on live Premiership matches again.

Tyler better not be out of a job :rant:

Villa United coming up we're gonna get hammered unfortunately we haven't a squad and injuries are piling up couple that with Angel, Barry etc.s terrible form and we're fecked

You'll pull something out of your arses, everyone aims up against ManYoo

Angel was brilliant on Sunday. I haven't seen much of him otherwise, but he was one of the best players on the pitch against Chelsea.

If he fell on his boat, it was Dazz.

Good riddance to 2004.

Hes been very poor when compared to last season I'm hoping its down to the fact he came back from injury and hasn't been able to have a rest since because of Vassell's injury.

Angel was crap tonight.

Yeah I should have scored first time but the bloke directing me sucked, I didn't even recognise Berger when I was leaving the pitch :$ He goes 'Unlucky Mate' and I said Cheers, then asked the bloke who was helping out who that was and he was like "thats Patrick Berger, he's our best player" I felt stupid, but still, £25 :cool:. The Chelsea fans chanted "What a load of rubbish" as I was going back to my seat :$.

Still, good work Chelsea.

Dazz shot down Patrik Berger :love:

:cool: He looked different, I really had no idea who it was, his hair was longer and he speaks like a proper Englishman, I didn't even think he was foreign, I thought he was prolly a groundsman, I only said Cheers because I am a nice guy.

I am home, and the guy directing me didn't tell me how much time I had, he should have lined me up for the shot better, on the plus side I kicked the Portsmouth fan the second time. We even cheated too, the bloke said you cant touch the person to help him, only verbally tell him, but the guy kept pushing me and turning me, and trying to line me up, and it still didn't work.

Go shit a brick about it.

Ha Dazz shot down Patrik Berger and got sexually assaulted all in the same day.

GOOD TIMES.

Davis (for Villa) is the worst young player I've seen in aaages. Absolute shite.

Also describe this halftime thing for those of us who haven't seen it :$

http://tpww.net/forums/images/smilies/wtf.gif Hes been great ever game hes played apart form Chelsea and United and you can't expect him to set the world allight against teams like that at his age. His distribution is great.

Yeah we're second, didn't make it to the Leeds game. It's not my fault we lost to them.

Never met him before, he just really wanted to do the challenge, didn't even have a Chelsea shirt on :mad:. He wasn't really touching me up, and as far as we knew only the team who scored get £25 so it was worth it at the time :cool:.

1-0 to the Ar-se-nal