:$ Looked like it to me

Are you saying a couple of goals in a match where no one was tackling anyone else says something about Camara's quality, Dazz?

Considering the nature of the goals, too, which I did see, you'd have to be a moron to suggest they mean anything.

You obviously haven't seen very much of Henri Camara if you think he is a good player. Just because he's knocked a couple in for Southampton, you're getting carried away.

Keep an eye out for Southampton matches, if you can bear it, and try watching the fellow.

It's pretty funny when you're always going off on one about how Ruud Van Nistelrooy isn't very good, but Henri Camara is.

No, I never said Ruud Van Nistelrooy isn't very good, find me a post where I have said that, I said he gets too much praise, he has people licking his arse left right and centre yet he ca only do the simple things, anyways why bring that up again, it would go on forever, I have argued with so many peoiple about it and never changed my opinion, so you won't be able to either.

I know there was no tackling, but that doesn't mean that he has a bad touch like you claim, he still had to dribble the fecking ball, and finish it. Do you honestley think he can't finish the ball? Wow he was shit for Celtic, look at Chris Sutton for Chelsea, it wasn't just the finishing, his all round play was dissapointing at us, yet you still get overly wound up at my disliking for Sutton.

Camara played badly for one team, MMM won't admit he played well for them as he fucked around at the end of the season, it's what being biased and sticking up for your own team is all about. A good example of which is after the Pompey Vs Chelsea game on Deceber 28th, me, my dad and a few of his mates went to it, and in a pub with Pompey fans after the match, we were talking to some of them whilst the SOuthampton Liverpool match was on and they were going "Southampton will go down, Redknapp's too shit too keep them up" Honest to god, Pompey fans were caling Redknapp shit. Because they are bitter, MMM would love to have Camara playing for Wolves if he didn't critisize the club and pretty much say he'd never play for them again because they are not good enough, and when they are currently 17th in the Championship you can surely see where he is coming from, he deserves better them then.

He was fucking shite for Wolves, Dazz. He was awful. He had a streak at the end of the season where he bagged a few goals, but he was terrible for the most part.

He was fucking awful for Celtic, similarly, but he also bagged a few goals.

His touch is pathetic. Have you actually seen any full, competitive matches he has played in? Utterly pathetic. I really cannot understand how anyone could say he has a good touch and is a good finisher.

A good finisher would NOT miss the chances he does constantly. He had 7 goals in 30 matches last season. Hardly a good return for someone who deserves better, and if he was any good he could have put away a few more goals to keep Wolves alive, instead of getting them all towards the end of the season when they were pretty much down already.

I saw him play several matches last season for Wolves. I remember him from the World Cup in 2002, even when he managed to bag a couple there in the second round (I think), and I've seen him play quite a few times for Celtic this season.

There are good players who play badly, and there are just plain bad players, and Camara is a bad player.

People need to settle in, look at Kezza at us, and Forlan at Chelsea, Angel at Villa, all the senegalese players liverpool signed. I know Camara only came from the French league, bu I'm sure some of Liverpools Senegalese players did too, and LeBouef mentioned our league being more physical, he just had to adjust, and when he did, he hit good form, scoring good goals. If his touch was as bad as you say, he wouldn't have got into good positions, and if his finishing was as bad as you say, then a highly rated keeper like Toldo would be able to save his shots.

For him to criticise us for not being good enough when he helped get us relegated by playing shit is where it stems from, but I've said that dozens of times already. Plus, again, it's not just us. When he was AT Celtic he said Celtic weren't a big enough team for him. WTF does he want, Barcelona to step in and snap him up?

Let's face it, why do you think we were able to sign him in the first place? Nobody else wanted to. He scored in the 2002 World Cup (silver goal against Sweden if I'm not mistaken), and as you know the World Cup is *the* shop window if you want a move. Nobody bought him. Doesn't say a whole lot right there really.

Also, I have to re-iterate, without having seen his goals from the other night, last season for us his goals consisted of 1 tap-in from 2 yards, 1 slot through Cudicini's legs (which he almost fucked up) and 5 shots that 99/100 would've gone a mile over the bar. He is *not* some fantastic finisher; he is similar to Okocha in some ways, when they shoot they either score a fantastic looking goal or balloon it out of the ground/horribly wide/whatever.

Seriously man, give it up.

Oh come on. It was an exhibition match.

Camara's record in the French league wasn't exactly astonishing either. It was fairly average. In Angel and Kezman's case, they are quality players with good records elsewhere who didn't settle in right away. Kezman's record in Serbia and Holland is astonishing, he just needs a break.

I don't think you've seen Camara player apart from a few MOTD highlights and that exhibition game. He's horrible.

He scored 14 goals in the season in the French league, not bad IMO, yes not astonishing, but not bad. The point I am making is that you would make him sound like he has the finishing of Robert Fleck, which isn't the case.

And MMM, he scored two in the match Vs Sweden I think.

ahahaha, are you lot still going on about Camara?

Dazz will get you involved in a ridiculous arguement some day. I guarantee it.

I know he hasn't seen Camara play now. I'm a better finisher than him. Just a pity I'm white and fat.

I have seen Camara play, I still find it hard to believe that we are talking about the same Camara the way you go on about him. You would love the Rajah sports thread, he has some fans there, you could spend a while arguing about him there too.

I don't believe you are a better finisher, and until you show ample proof, you sir, are a liar.

No way Dazz, you haven't seen him play much. Anyone who claims he is good should be having a little word with themselves. I've seen the thread at Rajah, and people say Camara is shite, also.

14 goals in the French league is crap, by the way. Even Stephane Gui'varch got more than that.

Not everyone, JPKEngland, MMH, The Hamburlgar, and thats just from looking at the otp of the previous page. To say he is one of the worst players to ever play at Premiership level is something that no one agrees with.

14 goals in any league isn't crap, it's not overly impressive in the French league, but how the fuck can he not finish when he scores 14 for them, 7 for wolves, 1 (in like 2 games for Southampton) and I dunno how many at international level, probably not many, but he can clearly finish the ball, you fucking cretin. And we are not talking little tap ins where the rest of the team do the work to provide him with an easy spoon-fed finish either, as you'd say, 'wise you up'.

See Owen, you bitter, bitter person, if I had MSN chat logs on this PC, I'd dig up the thing you said about how you wouldn't replace Arry and Jim with anyone, even if you were given the choice to have anyone in the world.

And you always have a gay opinion on De Zeuuw, so I do not wish to 'take it from you'

My mate who is a Pompey season ticket holder agreed with me, and he is the only Pompey fan I have asked.

And you definitley did say it, hence why I wish I had the chat log of it.

Arguing with Dazz is like being sucked into this inescapable nightmare.

I remember me and him went back and forth on Gilberto. I think he's wonderful, Dazz thinks he is shite. That felt like it went on for about 6 months.

That's when I thought Dazz was the little blonde lad, not the Jew.

The Duff arguement was better, when you were convinced that Brian Kerr would be the man to know that Duff would rather go to United then Chelsea, I tried to find the football thread on the old boards but that dirty Arab must have deleted it. That's when I thought you were a poof, and I am still not sure if I was wrong with that, considering you called my photo's "cute" You make threads on tea, I'm sure there are other clues if I could be bothered to look through your posts.

And Owen, he is your best defender, he has no competition for that accolade. Anyone who fairly marks Duff out of a game has to be doing something right, and my mate said he was a very good defender, not just in that match, but always has been, and hasn't been worse since his injury.

Don't class Angel in the same light. He showed how good he is last season. This season thanks to be rushed back from injury because of our tiny squad hes not got on form. Vassell will be back within a week or two and we'll see Angel get better then too.

I didn't, I said when he first came, players need to settle, once Camara settled he done good. And he was rubbish against Chelsea at the Bridge last season, he missed two of the easiest chances I have seen, you'd have won 3-2 (like you did away :mad: ) had he scored them.

I might be wrong on this and this is my opinion but with the help of Mandaric, Redknapp helped get an average side into the Premiership and kept them there.

I don't like Camara, his attitude is shit but if you're going to have one like that at least make sure you've had a decent career to start with. His overall career stats are that he's started 123 games and scored 42 goals, 13 goals in 42 at international level and then in Scotland, a league which is worse than the French one in my view, he scored 8 in 26 starts, which is pretty poor. Now he's come out today criticising Martin O'Neill (making him a fucking twat from my point of view anyway) by saying he didn't have a chance at Celtic :|

Matty Taylor was awesome as a wing back in 02/03 but i wouldn't consider him to be the best defensively, that year they were pretty attacking anyway. Whenever i've been speaking to Owen after a match he's never been like 'Matty had .... in his pocket'.

Thats because Owen doesn't appreciate him, maybe he should go to a team that would. The new Portsmouth only features Greek's anyway, hence their hurry to shaft as many players as they could out in January. You wait till August, they will go one better then Arsenal, and field a team of only Greek's, and not just non Englishmen.

Stats don't count anyway, I really couldn't give a shit how many goals he scored in how many games, as long as he tries, and looks good then thats fine. He is a good player, ECG would have you believe that he isn't good enough for Accrington Stanley.

Get the fuck out of here with that shit. Scoring goals is his JOB, if he doesn't do it he has little to no use.

Hey Adam, I shall not, I shall not be moved, I'm staying here. Yes it's his job but if his overall game is good enough then who are we to beef.

I'd take Kezman over Gudjohnsen any day, because his style ofplay is better and he tries harder and has much better ability. I'd say thats just me, but in this case, ECG loves Diouf, yet his goal scoring record is as horrid as they come.

Strikers who don't score aren't doing whats asked of them, but as long as they contibute well I have no problem with them.

As long as you are aware that it isn't De Zeeuw

Kezman has a phenomenal scoring record elsewhere, his ability isn't in question. Camara has never been a proven goalscorer. Big difference.

All this arguing over Henri Camera? Face it, the guy is pants. The guy choked at Celtic and it's that simple. Even Southampton are too good for him. He'll do ok at Reading or Northampton.


I'd take Gudjohnsen. I like strikers who can actually score a goal.

Well, You'd also cheer if Forlan scored against ManYoo so I'm hardly bothered who you'd take, Rob.

I think Diouf is a quality player because he brings a lot more to a team than goalscoring. He has never been a prolific scorer, but he is such a handful for a defence when he's playing with confidence. He's quick, skillful and very strong. He ran Arsenal utterly ragged pretty much on his own a few weeks back, and set up the only goal with a brilliant cross.

I thought he was great for Liverpool on the wings last season. Very underrated player, and I expect a lot of Liverpool fans might agree with me.

I love Diouf, I wish we got him back off his loan spell in the Jan' Window. He runs for every ball and he's always trying to create something for the team.
Remember that this is a player who tore apart the France squad in the 2002 World Cup.

Bolton are apparently going to bid for him in the summer, chin up Danny, he is too Un-Spanish like to play for you, other then being a chronic diver that is.

Yeah, I read that in The Sun today. I wonder how much we'll get for him, not the 10 mill we brought him for. That's for sure, it's a shame because he has so much potential.

Especially as he has taken his own price tag down by constantly disgracing himself.

Yeah, he has a bad reputation after some of the shit he's done with all that spitting nonsense.

exactly, I really can't see you getting more then 4-5million up front, and then maybe like 2 million dependant on some stuff.

I was thinking about 5 mill.I'd like to see him stay, better than Nunez any day of the week.
Plus the way Kewell has been playing, he's better than him too.

I haven't seen enough of Liverpool to decide this season, thats the trouble with uni, I get behind with watching football often, all I know about you lot is what my Liverpool supporting mates say, which in this case is that Nunez has been better this calender year then he was last calender year and seems to be settling in better. I will be able to see for myself what the teams like next week in person.

Carragher's dad is banned from the game, he is banned from all Great Brittish football stadiums for being pised out his face and causing trouble at the last England game or something.

:D What a legend.
From what I've seen of Nunez he has been a disapointment but as you said he needs time to settle in after his injury.

Without wanting to offend Dazz again, Nunez is genuinely shite. He's about 26 and has been a reserve his whole career. Pretty sure the only thing he has done of note since Christmas is get sent off against Burnley for being ridiculous.

There was talk of Liverpool trying to get Juanfran as part of that deal, and he is a real quality player and a potential star.

Bergkamp sent off, Fabregas should have been and Sheff Utd have had a fine goal disallowed. 0-0 at half time but Arsenal haven't looked good at all.

Why should Fabregas have been sent off?

It wasn't that bad a tackle.

What, so you'd be happy for him just to have been booked if Montgomery's standing leg hadn't moved and he'd have broke his leg?

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Just saw you've got the info on him :(

Mark Bright is full of shit.

It was just a late tackle, his trailing leg caught him. There are tackles as bad as that every week. He dived in to get the ball (clearly he went for the ball with his leading foot) and Montgomery just nicked it away from him.

Any time a player slides in at full pace they have the potential to injure an opposition player, intentionally or not.

I think tackle where a player comes in high, above the ankle, are the worst, whether they be two-footed or just the one, and they seem to cause the most injuries. Like Lucas Neill on Jamie Carragher last season, I think.

I'm pretty sure players have been sent off for lesser tackles all the same. Fabregas didn't particularly go up to apologise.

Arsenal have just scored through Pires. Paddy Kenny was pretty unlucky there, he's made quite a few good saves second half.

It was still a shit tackle.

As a Liverpool fan I've gotta say 2 things

Nunez is shite, he is done nothing. He is slow, his crosses are poor and when you look at his face, he doesn't have a clue what to do next. The only good thing about him is that he's fairly good in the air, but thats about it.

Diouf IS class. When we played him on the wing he gave us genuine width, when we played Blackburn in the League Cup he was absolutely magnificent, he had 2 real problems, and they were consistency and his attitude. If he can sort his attitude out, he could become a truly world class player.

Also, I tore my calf playing football last night...... most painful injury I've ever had, anyone who does it professionally has my absolute sympathy from now on.

Again? :rofl: Keep it real buddy.

I haven't seen enough of him to comment, I have just heard he has been better this year form a mate, I never said it myself.

Point is, Arsenal are shit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well, it's not the point but Pires is a cunt and the sooner his legs are broken the sooner I get to laugh at him.

:(

Yeah, calf injuries are my number one fear playing football, I went out there today and they were hell tight, even after rubbing vast amounts of deep heat into them.

What's the story with recovery/physio etc.

Deep heat is shit, I wouldn't use it personally, I am no Dr like Gatesy, but from my understanding it eases the pain at the time but it makes you feel you have stretched the muscle properley before playing, which isnt the actual case. So it makes it worse afterwards, once the deep heat has worn off.

Not really sure what's gonna happen right now, gotta get back to the physio at the hospital some time next week, it looked really horrible at the time, cos the muscle kinda stuck out like it was a broken leg, everything's a bit of a blur, cos they've stuffed me full of drugs :)

Also what I do remember is being pretty stupid, I hammered a shot with my left foot and felt it tighten, but then it was fine, then I dived in for a ball with the keeper, got the touch, collided with the keeper, and then couldn't get up, got helped off and taken to hospital, they did some manipulation, I think that's about it.

I get real paranoid now when I play because my left leg cramps much more than it should. One day I'm gonna do something major to it :(

Oh and Henri Camara has scored. :shifty:

Just make sure its warm, when you warm up make sure you wear something that covers your whole leg and always stretch your calf as much as possible, especially if you feel it every now and again.

Yes. There will be much "joy" from everyone who "loves" reading the "how good is Camara" argument :mad:

:-\

COME ON BRENTFORD

2-1

Balls, it was all going so well until we had to defend a simple ball in to the box.

Come on Roman, get out your Chequebook! Camara will be snapped up in no time.


That was a joke, folks. On a serious note, Camara is massivley underrated. Scoring today doesn't mean he is any better the I have said he is, but it shows he can finish a ball, and isn't as bad as ECG would make believe.

Judging by what Le Tiss was saying, anyone could finish the goals he scored.

Don't wanna hear it, he can still finish the ball, ECG would make you believe that he is such a spastic he'd either miss the ball, not give it enough power, or shoot wide/over.

Only thing I'm going to say is that a goal is a goal, they all have to get in the net somehow.
That is probably the worst comment of the day too.

Yeah I hate people that say that, because someone can score a goal doesn't mean they are good. In Camara's case, he scores enough to prove he can finish the ball.

It's just a local anasthetic. It doesn't help heal at all, just numbs the pain.

Yeah that's what I meant, it eases the pain, you can't tell if it is stretched properley but you think it is because well, you can't feel it, yet once the deep heat wears off, it's worse then it was before as you have just played again without stretching it.

Well, I suppose, but even stretching a sore muscle will make it feel worse. People just use it to make their legs feel warmer, which it does, but it doesn't really replace stretching.

I think I tend to injure myself more stretching than I ever do in an actual match, though.

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YES, GET IN THERE DION :love: :heart:

WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Thought you'd have learnt the art of stretching by now, I don't recall ever hurting myself in a warm up, because I am not a spastic.

BRENTFORD :love:

I'm not a big fan of stretching. I think it's good to warm up with a bit of running and jumping about, but I'm not sold on the benefits of a stretch. Maybe if it's really cold outside, a bit of medium stretching to loosen the muscles up, but not too much.

I wear cycling shorts for all games anyways. But I really stretch lots, because I have this fear of if I make a sliding tackle and miss, then it will hurt my hamstring as it will extend too much. I run around abit then spend like fifteen minutes stretching, and have never pulled a muscle or felt my muscles sore due to lack of stretching the next day.

*Spoiler*Man U currently ahead of Everton 1-0 in FA cup action.A beautiful move by Cristiano Ronaldo on Kevin Kilbane than a nice cross that was finished by Quinton Fortune.

RONALDO WOOOOOOO

*Spoiler* Paul Scholes free kick stopped by Nigel Martin but the rebound goes to who else Cristiano Ronaldo who buries it. 2-0 Man U :y: :y:

Everton fan just clocked Man U keeper Roy Carrol with either a coin or a phone. You have to love soccer fans so passionate :rofl:

Is it just me or is John Motson the worst commentator in Football?

I try to remain as neutral as possible these days, ok, I hate United, I hate Everton, I hate other teams, but when they play well I give them their due, and if people just mindlessly have a go, I will stand up for teams that do well.

I am not having a go at Man Utd here, but John Motson is the most biased commentator I have ever heard. He practically had an orgasm when Roy Keane picked the ball up completely unmarked on his 18 yard line. Every time Ronaldo gets the ball it sounds like he's struggling to contain his hard on, and everytime Rooney had a shot, he was willing it into the net.

This isn't the first time either. I'm sure I'm not the only one who's noticed this.

Anyway, props to United, they were fanastic, Everton were awful. Second goal was lucky, but at the end of the day, it could have been 5 anyway.

The way Everton played today makes me a little bit more confident about our chances of 4th.

I think that was Motson momentarily thinking keane was attacking :lol:

another gem was: "in the last 16 premiership games they have won 14 and drawn 3"

It says a lot when the BBC's best commentator quits because of him.

You must spread some reputation around before giving it to El Capitano Gatisto again.

:'(

(:love: )

Two tapins against Brentford proves exactly fuck all. Plus from the radio commentary I listened to in the afternoon he sliced or spooned at least 2-3 other chances horribly, AND got caught offside when Phillips had the ball in the net right at the death, denying Southampton a winner. Wonderful.

Also, Sid :'( :wavesad:

To be fair, they should've won, as that goal in the last minute should've stood, but ah well, the bastards deserve all the bad things they get.

Looked like we battered Charlton, great away support aswell. To be fair to the Charlton fans they clapped us off and have been complimentary on the message boards i've checked.

I'm just split on team selection now, i'm not a fan of 4-5-1 but (apart from 5-3-2) that's the only way of getting a balanced team including Hughes and Williams. On the other side of it though, Connolly is the man and he was only on the bench today.

The cunt who threw it is fucked now, cos one of the camera angles caught him throwing it at Carroll. Good riddance to a piece of shit, that sort of thing shouldn't happen in football (even though it does in alot of leagues around the world :'()

Lost ground yesterday away at Brighton :'(

I hear Leeds copped a 0-3 scoreline yesterday. :'(