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Old 09-21-2010, 09:22 AM   #2361
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I prefer Ultra II for both of them, based on how cool they look.
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Old 09-21-2010, 12:12 PM   #2362
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Came across this article about the various stereotypes in Street Fighter II. Some of them are obvious but a few I never really noticed. It's an interesting read if you have a couple of minutes to spare. I'd really like to see a similar article about the other games/characters/stages.

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Ethinc Sterotypes in Street Fighter 2
Apart from being a great breakthrough in arcade games and in video games in general, Street Fighter 2 was a great game for introducing colorful characters. As much as these characters had unique characteristics, they were not exactly original. In fact, the stereotypes presented about the street fighters are a good way to learn about how, at least, the game designers at Capcom view the world.

Not only the characters, but the settings and background action reveal some interesting outlooks.

So let's look at some of these levels, and then try to see what they mean overall.

•Zangief, a large Russian wrestler is pretty much that: large and a wrestler. And he scowls a lot. Zangief could be summarized as big, dumb and mean. Zangief's stage is a bleak looking factory in Russia where men drink and holler in the background. The stereotype behind this seems to be that Russians are stupid and boisterous and succeed mostly through brute force.

•Dhalsim, a skeletal Indian man who practices a form of combat Yoga that involves breathing fire, stretching out the body to improbable lengths, and teleporting. Dhalsim wears a weird costume that includes a necklace made out of skulls. Dhalsim's stage takes place in a room with six elephants. A portrait of the god Gansesha hangs in the middle of the room. All of these things seem to point towards the stereotype of Indians as being mystical, yet half-mad people.

•Blanka, from Brazil, is a muscluar green skinned mutant, who acts as much like an animal as a person. While I doubt that the designers of Street Fighter literally believed that the average Brazillian man is a mutant who can make electricity run through his body, Brazil is very much depicted as a wild place with wild people. the background of Blanka's stage is a seaside fishing village where people in little clothing and no shoes watch the fighting. A gigantic snake lies coiled around a tree. The entire impression is of a primitive, unrefined society.

•E. Honda is a sumo wrestler who is very large and uses a variety of techniques that,as far as I know, are not traditional sumo techniques (since he strikes and kicks, which are not typical in sumo wrestling). His stage is interesting because it contains some icons that are very specific to Japan, such as a poster in the background that shows both Mount Fuji and the Rising Sun. His stage also takes place in a very Japanese place, a room with a sauna bath in it. Interestingly enough, there are no people, or even living things present in this stage besides the fighters themselves. Despite Honda's large size, this stage has an overall impression of civility and decor.

•Guile is an American, and an Air Force pilot. He has bright yellow spiky hair and wears a pair of stripped down fatigues. His attacks are very sharp, linear and muscular, but they are not wild and uncontrolled at all. This communicates someone who is direct, but not overly brutal. the background of his stage is an airforce base, where an F-16 is parked. Onlookers include three men in army costumes and one woman in a miniskirt that is not, I would imagine, air force standard issue. There is some bottles on the ground and in the people's hands. I would imagine that the liquid in these bottles is not neccesarily a soft drink. Overall, the stereotype transmitted is of some direct, rambunctious people who are still civilized.

•Chun Li comes from mainland China. She is a short, cute, giggly woman who uses a variety of techniques that are rather authentic traditional kung-fu. Her techniques are very fast and agile. Since Chun Li is the only woman in the Street Fighter tournament, her character is more about being female then being Chinese. The background to her stage is full of some not very flattering stereotypes about China. In it, shopkeepers in open air stalls squeez the necks of chickens while men on bicycles ride by, watching the fight. While there are electric poles in the background, this stage makes China look like a third world nation with no sense of decor, where people on the street act as if they were at a circus.

•Ken is an American who practices Karate, he uses techniques that are very strong, yet also more elongated and stretching then Guile's. He also has the cool fireball made out of (presumably) his chi. Ken, together with Ryu, is considered one of the best characters in the game to fight with. He is especially adept at counter fighting against people who jump in towards him. In other words, he is a very artistic, methodical fighter. His stage, however, is not as polite, as its main feature is a yacht full of rich, flashy people cheering loudly. This gives a split impression: a methodical figher together with an impolite audience.

•Ryu, who has moves that are identical to Ken (but according to some, is played in a slightly different manner). However, although the fighters are much the same, their stages are very different: the Ryu stage has a background that is very sedate: a temple at night, with the Holyhock Crest showing, and a moon hidden by drifting clouds. A very serene and serious place.
Overall, there seems to be clear bias against European and American culture in the game, or at least a bias that most people would find unfavorable. The three stages with no onlookers are all in Asia, and both Japanese stages have no onlookers. The only Asian stage with onlookers is China. In addition, the Russian and American stages depict people drinking. The fighters who are not Japanese are depicted as animalistic (Blanka), primitive (Dhalsim) or brutal (Zangief). Chun Li plays in a dirty area, but her fighting abilities are depicted as artistic. Guile and Ken are both depicted as good, clean fighters, but are marred by onlookers who are acting impolite. E. Honda is not depicted as an extremly beautiful fighter, but his stage is a symbol of cleanliness. Ryu combines a clean, beautiful fighting technique with a serene, beautiful location.

So, to sum up, Street Fighter II seems to display Japanese culture in the best light, followed by America and China. The third world nations of India, Russia and Brazil come in extremly unfavorably. I think that this view of a hierarchy of nations is probably fairly common, if not explicably stated, in Japanese society in general.
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Old 09-21-2010, 12:23 PM   #2363
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Street Fighter designs are acceptably racist. Not worth a study, imo. It's common knowledge even amongst us.

Some of the article mis-interprets certain things about SFII, but it's alright.
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Old 09-23-2010, 07:24 PM   #2364
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Really REALLY wish we could buy these individually. Only really care about Juri and Chun-Li in that pack.
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Word. Or better yet, build our own packs. There's never more than one or two in each pack that I want.
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Old 09-24-2010, 10:16 AM   #2367
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Something from Eventhubs.

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Can you give me a clear answer if Super Street Fighter 4 will be released on the PC? I keep hearing conflicting information.

Christian Svensson: I don't know how to be more clear guys. While I wish it weren't the case, the answer as I've repeatedly said for the past year or so is "no"... until such time it hopefully becomes "yes". There are some of us that still want to see that happen.

What does the Battle Director do? It sounds like a cool position.

Ono: [The] position [is] for balance adjustment of fighting [games].

Please include R. Mika in the arcade version of SSF4.

Ono: Yeah! I love R. Mika!! But, [the] Battle Director doesn't like her!!

Any news on SF III 3rd Strike Online Edition. Maybe a release date?

Ono: [The game is in development] now! Please wait [for more] news.

Are there any plans to add other characters to SSF4 Arcade Edition, or is it just Yun & Yang?

Ono: Of course, [it's] just Yun and Yang!! ;P

Reading into the last statement a bit, it appears Yoshinori is trying to be sarcastic because of the emoticon. And since current rumors have been picking up more steam after the December release date was confirmed, it's sounding more and more likely that there are going to be additional fighters announced for the arcade release of Super Street Fighter 4.
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Old 09-25-2010, 02:35 AM   #2370
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How is she lame? That seems to be the general opinion and I'm not sure why.

With her out the running, all I want is Q. Never played SFIII and he looks the most interesting from that game. Failing that, Sodom would be nice from Alpha.
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Old 09-28-2010, 05:06 AM   #2372
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Dunno, the guy that stomped you with Fei Long used her after you left and was pretty good. Still managed to squeek out a win finally with T Hawk. That guy has crazy good FA timing.
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I will never be as good as that guy though. And you still beat him. That's how bad she sucks.
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Was definitely trying too hard to get in close. Walked right into so many attacks. Need to use her focus attack cancel and command grab a lot more.
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Instead of R.Mika add Tiffany Lords. Or Shoma.
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Old 09-28-2010, 10:27 AM   #2378
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I really don't understand the godlike status Diago has among fans of these things. Winning with Ryu/Ken is so unimpressive.
Let's see him do as well while using someone with more disadvantages than advantages.
I've never seen or heard of him playing as any character other than Ryu/Ken except Hakan, once. I remember reading that Diago tried Hakan after he was revealed and said Hakan sucked. I'm guessing because he isn't a Ryuesque character that has an answer for every situation and because he can't beat almost every move with one of his own like Ryu can.

I honestly think all of us are better players than Diago is. We specialize in characters like Cammy, Zangief, T.Hawk, Fei Long and others. We are really good with multiple characters that vary from each other in a big way while Diago sticks to Ryu and Ken, two near identicle beginner characters.
Ryu? It's like winning 1000's of SmackDown matches as Triple H or Cena. Of course you'll win picking the character with the least flaws and the most advantages. Winning Smackdown matches with Funaki or Street Fighter matches with Hakan or Gen. Now that would take skill.

A bad player can do well with a "good" character
A good player can do well with a "bad" character

Just my opinion.
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I really don't understand the godlike status Diago has among fans of these things. Winning with Ryu/Ken is so unimpressive.
Let's see him do as well while using someone with more disadvantages than advantages.
I've never seen or heard of him playing as any character other than Ryu/Ken except Hakan, once. I remember reading that Diago tried Hakan after he was revealed and said Hakan sucked. I'm guessing because he isn't a Ryuesque character that has an answer for every situation and because he can't beat almost every move with one of his own like Ryu can.

I honestly think all of us are better players than Diago is. We specialize in characters like Cammy, Zangief, T.Hawk, Fei Long and others. We are really good with multiple characters that vary from each other in a big way while Diago sticks to Ryu and Ken, two near identicle beginner characters.
Ryu? It's like winning 1000's of SmackDown matches as Triple H or Cena. Of course you'll win picking the character with the least flaws and the most advantages. Winning Smackdown matches with Funaki or Street Fighter matches with Hakan or Gen. Now that would take skill.

A bad player can do well with a "good" character
A good player can do well with a "bad" character

Just my opinion.
I agree with everything posted, but just to be sure Daigo is just plain good. I don't idol worship other players and I mostly follow philosophies rather than win record but Daigo is a cool, great player.

Having said that I completely agree on the idea that tiers reveal the weaker players when tier whores choose characters that are easiest to play. I figured to myself that a truly good player would focus on low-tier characters and win tournies that way. That almost never happens, and that's some of the reason I detest elitist and the whole idea of tier whoring.

How picking characters you like on a personality/design level became the 'scrub' thing to do blows my mind. Like I mentioned in a mini-rant in the News thread, shit got backwards as competitive gaming grew across the genres. What is scrubby in my eyes is 'top skill' to elite bastards, and any attempt to balance and promote competitive play is hated by elitist.

In the past decade imbalance became some sort of evidence for a good game and the idea's been allowed to flourish in certain communities. It may take a while to fix this.
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I agree with everything posted, but just to be sure Daigo is just plain good. I don't idol worship other players and I mostly follow philosophies rather than win record but Daigo is a cool, great player.
Yeah, he's good but it's who he is good with that makes me sceptical on how "skilled" he really is. Being as good as he is with Ryu can give the illusion he is better than he actually is if he's using one of the best characters in the game.

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Having said that I completely agree on the idea that tiers reveal the weaker players when tier whores choose characters that are easiest to play. I figured to myself that a truly good player would focus on low-tier characters and win tournies that way. That almost never happens, and that's some of the reason I detest elitist and the whole idea of tier whoring.

How picking characters you like on a personality/design level became the 'scrub' thing to do blows my mind. Like I mentioned in a mini-rant in the News thread, shit got backwards as competitive gaming grew across the genres. What is scrubby in my eyes is 'top skill' to elite bastards, and any attempt to balance and promote competitive play is hated by elitist.

In the past decade imbalance became some sort of evidence for a good game and the idea's been allowed to flourish in certain communities. It may take a while to fix this.
I don't look at tiers because I think if you see that "X" is a bad match against "Y", on some level you'll make it harder for yourself when you choose X and have to fight Y. Like it influences how you view that match up and you think "Damn, X sucks against Y. This is going to be tough".

I wish more people would pick characters based on who suits their playstyle the best rather than who is the easiest to win with. If they did, the online community would be much more varied, interesting and possibly more competitive.
I, for example, enjoy playing as Zangief because I prefer to sacrifice speed for strength. I'd rather lumber towards someone to SPD them than zip around the stage and master an 18-hit combo with Gen or Chun-Li.
Brute strength is my preferred style in almost every game I play and Zangief caters to that so I play as him and it turns out I'm actually pretty good with him.
If more people used characters that suit how they play rather than adapting to whoever is viewed as the best, online would be a whole lot better.

The "scrubby" thing just like anything else in life. Someone, somewhere randomly decides what is and isn't acceptable and the majority of people just accept it for some reason. "This is cool and this isn't. This is fun and this isn't. This is stylish and this isn't. This is scrubby and this isn't."

"scrubbiness" is just something snooty "serious" players use to excuse away a lose and create some kind of sad attempt at a hierarchy. Saying they lost because they fought a "scrub" Ken that just Shoryukened the whole time. If they lost to a "scrub" wouldn't that mean they are an even bigger "scrub" for losing to one?

This links in with the hypocrisy. When you complain on a forum about another player that was spamming, the elitests say "Stop expecting people to play by your rules!" and tell you to learn to play the game but if they call people "scrubs", isn't that expecting people to play by their rules? "You don't play as I do so you are a scrub.". Kind of two faced, there.

Anyway, typed too much. Going to go and start a lobby in a couple minutes if one isn't already up and running if anyone want's to come along. Underlining this so if anyone skips this wall of text they at least notice this bit.
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I would like to get some use out the new features, especially the 2nd one but people don't seem to use handhelds outside around here so I can't see myself getting much use out of that feature.
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Are those four Panels for special moves? The upper right panel is highlighted and Ryu is doing a Hadouken. Any translations gonig around?
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Before you start fighting in the 3DS version, you're asked if you want 3D enabled. If you say yes, you get an over-the-shoulder camera instead of the traditional one.



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and when i send you Reach invites when your ass is playing Reach, you dont accept. I dont even know why youre on my friend list.
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