Jon Moxley on Talk Is Jericho

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Originally Posted by Innovator He flew himself to New York to meet with Vince away from TV to pitch ideas for his return and got the good shit from Vince

lol too funny. All these attitude guys are like 'take risks and fight for your character.' WTF else could Dean do? Seems like he fought every day.

[xrodmuc316]

Originally Posted by The Dastardly One lol too funny. All these attitude guys are like 'take risks and fight for your character.' WTF else could Dean do? Seems like he fought every day.

Yes, but diplomatically. Made his case, but then still did want Vince wanted.

Austin, Hogan, 90's Shawn Michaels, they would told Vince they aren't doing it and that would be it.

Not saying they were more professional than Dean, walking out clearly is not, but when they say they fought, that is the difference.

Hell, even good found Jesus Shawn Michaels didn't like how they booked his match with Hogan, so he bumped like a total assailed during their match, which was amazing btw.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Originally Posted by xrodmuc316 Yes, but diplomatically. Made his case, but then still did want Vince wanted. Austin, Hogan, 90's Shawn Michaels, they would told Vince they aren't doing it and that would be it. Not saying they were more professional than Dean, walking out clearly is not, but when they say they fought, that is the difference. Hell, even good found Jesus Shawn Michaels didn't like how they booked his match with Hogan, so he bumped like a total assailed during their match, which was amazing btw.

The difference now being - as explained by Dean on Wade Keller's podcast - that if he or other guys go off script or take that kind of risk, a producer or writer will lose their job. So, like decent people, they stay on script. In Austin's day, he didn't have to worry about that. With Michaels bumping for Hogan, you had to be a "smart" fan to understand what he was doing and I don't think Vince cared.

It's not the same landscape. Austin has even said he couldn't succeed in this environment.

[BigCrippyZ]

Originally Posted by The Dastardly One The difference now being - as explained by Dean on Wade Keller's podcast - that if he or other guys go off script or take that kind of risk, a producer or writer will lose their job. So, like decent people, they stay on script. In Austin's day, he didn't have to worry about that. With Michaels bumping for Hogan, you had to be a "smart" fan to understand what he was doing and I don't think Vince cared. It's not the same landscape. Austin has even said he couldn't succeed in this environment.

Exactly. That, and Vince literally had no option but to more or less work, or at least compromise, with the top talent he had. Otherwise, he would've been really screwed. He doesn't have that issue anymore, at least not currently, thus the current product we see.